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I have no opinion on the Star Wars/Dune debate but that is one fantastic comment. Kudos to the author, brought me quite a smile.
Had me in the first half ngl
The most funny thing about this is when Google AI will pick this as the true answer to the creation of Dune
Ha! This is a glorious future we’re living in…
Star Wars is a ripoff of some international (Italian? Japanese? I don’t know) movie.
Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa. It’s still enjoyable today IMO, and you can really see how some of the characters are a direct line to Star Wars characters.
Now this information makes “Star Wars Visions: Ronin” look like the the “back to the roots” material.
Akakiri is an even better example.
If you watch enough old scifi and adventure movies, you’ll learn to welcome the “so that’s where Lucas took that idea from” feeling as an old friend. He lifted a lot.
Well, you know the old adage: “Good artists copy, great artists steal”
The sci-fi artists were really all copying each other and building off of one another anyways.
It’s the same with almost all art anyways, it’s “inspiration” by another word.
That just is what all storytelling is. You mix and match characters, tropes, settings, and such from other stories and irl and mix it all together to get something “original”
Well even paintings and music is usually inspired by something as well, it’s not just limited to the medium of story telling.
I also remember many designs and visual concepts were also based on a French scify graphic novel.
Lol the real plagiarism is GW / Warhammer 40k ripping off Dune
And literally everything else and cramming it into one universe
Also big numbers = epic as a building light
Though you could do an identical meme with Games Workshop and Blizzard. There were so many people back in the day that didn’t know Warhammer 40k had been around for over a decade when StarCraft released.
And then the same thing happened again when Dawn of War was released.
To be fair, the original warcraft was supposed to be an rts using the Warhammer IP.
Also Warcraft, it’s blatantly ripped from Warhammer
My friend, who has never watched Star Trek, was convinced it was Star Wars ripoff.
My personal faves are the claims that the cybermen are ripping off the borg and that Pratchett’s Unseen University is a hogwarts copy.
And Battle Royale totally ripped off Hunger Games
Star Wars is the plot of Hidden Fortress, in a universe similar to Dune, in the style of Flash Gordon, but with genius special effects and Jaws level care for every aspect of the production of the film itself.
Sounds like an AI prompt
The music tends to be left off lists like this but without that fabulous score and the genius of John Williams and the London Symphony Orchestra, Star Wars would not have had the same emotional impact.
Forget the music it’s the overall sound design, music is just a small part of it. Villeneuve’s vision for the whole thing was to make it sound like a documentary: The desert sounds like desert, not like music, the ornithopers sound like – erm, they sound like ornithopters, not helicopters or music, everything sounds natural. As if shot on location, on actual Dune, and that atmosphere is given plenty of screen time, no grand musical scores interrupting the immersion.
EDIT oh wait you were talking Star Wars, not Dune. Yep, completely different beast. Also the THX logo not just the 21st Century Fox fanfare is part of the score I’m ready to die on that hill.
So, an original work then.
Good artists copy, great artists steal
Bad ones copy and paste into the completely wrong context
I don’t know anything about Dune, does it have Magic (the Force)?
No. But it has drugs that make you accurately predict the near and far future. And turn you into an immortal worm eventually.
Not immortal, just long-lived and thick skinned
The voice… Prana-bindu, there’s others, but spoilers ahoy.
Yeah.
Tap for spoiler
But non of it is magic. More like crazy mastery of your own body to a degree that it seems like magic.
The majority of force abilities is basically that. Voice control isn’t mastery of muscle or nerve, it isn’t magic in a sense, but controlling someone’s mind to do what you want for all intents and purposes is.
Also, where do you think Star Wars got inspiration for most of their force abilities at the start?
Not immortal, just long-lived and thick skinned
It definitely has aspects that could be considered magic, but I wouldn’t necessarily compare them to the Force.
Some aspects of it. “The voice” is basically jedi mind tricks. People that are attuned also get visions/senses of foreboding about the future. There’s no telekinetic stuff as far as I know.
Sort of yeah
Yeah
Interesting, maybe I’ll read the book. I’m trying to read more
You can get it on library genesis. Messiah, too.
This might be controversial, but the new Denis Villeneuve movies are much better than the book. Maybe watch the movies and read the book or trawl the wiki after for more context.
They’re definitely better entertainment pound-for-pound. I’d contend that the book gives you a lot more to think about, so it really depends what you’re after. I like them both a lot–I think they complement each other very nicely.
Does anyone have an analysis comparing the Fremen of Frank Herbert’s Dune to the the Aiel of Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time?
I’m 9 books into WoT right now (its good shit) and the overlap between the Dune series is pretty interesting to say the least. Rand -> Paul, Aes Sedai -> Benne Gesserit, Aiel -> Fremen, I mean there’s a dozen more comparisons I could make too. The lack of Turbo Pussies and chair dogs is a let down though.
Graendal uses humans as chairs.
Frank Herbert spent his entire family fortune building his time machine, and even had to sell his family ranch in California and the family’s stock in General Electric.
Woah, that’s heavy.
Both reference each other.
I forget what was in Dune, but I remember Han introducing himself and saying he was a spice hauler in a past life.
I was like Star Wars ripped off Dune! Oh wait…
Which doesn’t change the fact that the new movies are snoozefest
I found them to be the best movies I’ve ever seen. But that’s the great thing about being human, we don’t all have to like the same stuff! It would be wierd if we did.
