Regardless i prefer Biden over trump and i will still vote for him. However, I’ll make my voice much louder the second term
I’m proud to count myself amongst the people who didn’t vote for Biden in the primary. Now I only have to vote for him once.
Your vote is the only voice that matters
Nobody even brought up Trump, but you.
That is what is so infuriating to me is that nobody is allowed to criticize Biden at all without Trump being brought up.
It’s an election year, Biden being brought up will invoke his competitions name. And people are absolutely using just this topic as a reason to not vote this cycle. They only hurt themselves and everyone else.
You act like Biden can literally not capitulate on this. Why does the voice of the voter no longer matter?
I dont like this trend of demanding votes without having to earn voters. We are creating a culture of zero accountability to the voters.
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?” “It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.” “You mean they actually vote for the lizards?” “Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.” “But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?” “Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in.”
Douglas Adam’s The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
At this point I think we deserve our clusterfuck of a system. Conservatives and neoliberals have really made a mess of it all. One is malicious and the other is inadvertently enabling.
Half the people upvoting you are exactly who Adams was making fun of. Of course you and I know that, but these people are dense.
I’d like to bring up - a switch in democratic systems of representatives to on called “Open List Proportional Representation” where parties are represented in a proportional mix per the votes they actually won.
Germany, Scotland, and Japan use such systems. I think it’s a better system but it will probably take a loaded Supreme court and a concerted effort to get through.
Yeah, because its unfortunately a choice between those two at this point. Until Biden is re-elected, it will be a constant reminder that its him or a fascist criminal that led an insurrection, even if a particular criticism is valid. This criticism is shit btw, antisemitism is happening and should be called out.
I’m not voting for either. They both suck
You don’t think one sucks even a little less?
Not voting is a choice that inherently favors republicans due to how consistent they tend to vote. So vote or not, you’re still supporting one candidate or another.
Active support of something totally morally unacceptable seems more morally culpable than refusing to participate. I don’t think most people are consequentialists—the how matters.
Emotionally yes, mathematically, no, exactly the same, and so morally, exactly the same
Why doesn’t Biden just stop the genocide? Is he stupid?
He’s doesn’t unilaterally have the power to stop it. I agree we should stop military support under current conditions, but Biden isn’t Israel…this isn’t a US War. Its amazingly short-sided to blame Biden for this to the point of helping Trumps reelection chances.
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Unless this is sarcasm, please get real. I can’t believe how many people actually think POTUS is some kind of emperor of the world who just has to decree what they want and the other countries’ leaders obey. You think he just has to tell Netanyahu “Stop” and he stops? Surely you’re not that naive.
It’s not naive to learn from history, like when Reagan told Israel to stop their assault on Lebanon and Israel stopped in less than 24 hours.
Or when HW Bush called up Israel and ended that conflict overnight.
But maybe you’re right, maybe Netanyahu is too entrenched to stop this time. Biden can still stop sending the bombs. He can stop sending the money. He can stop vetoing UN peace resolutions. He could tell his press office to stop running cover for Israel. He could stop bringing up the “40 beheaded babies” lie.
He could do so much to stop this genocide, yet he refuses.
Cutting off supplies to Israel wouldn’t stop the genocide immediately, but it wouldn’t take long
Maybe we need a strong progressive president who will hold Isreal accountable, like Ronald Reagan
In addition to not vetoing UN resolutions, Reagan took several actions that many in Israel and the United States perceived as anti-Israel. For example, on June 7, 1981, less than six months after Reagan took office, Israel launched a surprise bombing raid on the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, and, in so doing, violated the airspace of Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Reagan not only supported UNSC Resolution 487, which condemned the attack, but he also criticized the raid publicly and suspended the delivery of advanced F-16 fighter jets to Israel. Moreover, over the strident objections of Israel and the pro-Israel U.S. lobby groups, Reagan approved the sale of advanced reconnaissance aircraft (AWACS ) to Saudi Arabia, which Israel then viewed as a hostile state.
A year later, in August 1982, when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, Reagan responded with an angry call to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, demanding a halt to the operation.
In addition, during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Reagan intervened directly when Israel threatened to blow up the Commodore Hotel in downtown Beirut, which housed more than 100 western reporters. As David Ottaway, who was then the Washington Post Middle East correspondent and was in the building, pointed out, the Israeli defense minister did not like the media coverage the invasion was getting and wanted to close down the media center.
Biden, on the other hand, even though he had an hour’s notice, failed to intervene to stop Netanyahu from bombing and collapsing the 12-story building that housed the offices of Al Jazeera and the Associated Press in Gaza during the recent bombing campaign. He also failed to publicly condemn the attack, let alone challenge Israel’s contention that the building sheltered Hamas military intelligence assets, despite AP’s insistence that its staff had no evidence that such assets were or ever had been present.
In addition to allowing the UN resolutions to pass and suspending the F-16 delivery, Reagan also restricted aid and military assistance to Israel to help force its withdrawal of troops from Beirut and central Lebanon.
Therefore, if in the future some members of the Biden administration or Congress want to join the international community in condemning Israel’s behavior, or in conditioning U.S. assistance or arms transfers and face resistance from Republicans, they need only point to the precedents established by President Reagan in the first instance.
he’s an evil zionist
Too busy curing cancer probably.
Jewish businesses and people are the biggest donors to election campaigns. They own the politicians. That’s not an accident by the way, after the war they needed a way to protect themselfs so they started sponsoring the american war machine through politics. The problem is that the same gun that you buy to protect yourself can be used to harm others and, as we know “gUnS dOn’T ShOoT pEopLe”… but they do in this case
And this is why we can’t have nice things!
Every fucking time we try to have a discussion about israeli crimes some fuckwad comes in with their conspiracy theory bullshit and spoils the punch for everyone else.
You’re what allows the apologists to keep calling us all antisemites fuckass.
Biden isn’t the one sending storm troopers onto UT Austin’s campus to crush pro-Palestinian protests, that would be the Republicans, remember on election day that both sides are absolutely not the same, and Trump sure as fuck does not care about Gaza or Palestine, or even Israel really if we’re being honest here. (Well or anything else but himself)
Your right, let me just pull up the White House press release where Biden sympathizes with the protestors cause:
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Hmm, not finding one. Wait, I’m sure there is an official Whitehouse press statement condemning the anti-free speech crackdowns like in Austin:
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Oh shit, looks like Biden said dickall about that too. So what did Biden say?
Over the weekend, the president put out a statement in which he condemned the campus protests for fostering antisemitism. That followed a far harsher statement from a White House aide calling out the protestors for harassing Jewish students. Both statements led anti-Israel protesters and anti-war activists to accuse the White House of being too quick to reprimand just one side of the debate.
One Columbia student who has been involved in the protests told POLITICO that she and her friends have less faith in Biden “every single day.”
“I was excited to vote for Biden. I was excited to vote out a fascist from government. And in hindsight, I guess I see that, I was just putting someone who’s a little bit less evil, but evil nonetheless,” said the student, who was granted anonymity because of fear of retribution.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/biden-camp-political-fallout-campus-protests-00154000
The reason is pretty straightforward : Biden is a zionist who doesn’t give an actual fuck about Gaza. He is worried though that it’s hurting him in Michigan. But according to the Biden campaign, young people don’t actually care about the genocide in Gaza so he’s free to ignore it because they’ll still vote for him either way.
“What is happening in Gaza is not the top issue for [young voters]. It’s not going to be for the vast majority of young voters the thing that’s going to determine whether they vote or how they vote,” said a campaign official working on youth engagement who was granted anonymity to speak about internal thinking. “The reality is that the folks that are organizing, the goal of that organizing is to make it seem that way and to bring that attention to it.”
Barack Obama rode a wave of backlash to the Iraq War to the dem nomination and then the Whitehouse, largely powered by anti-war college students who not only votes for him, but did the hard work of organizing and volunteering. I know, I was there on the ground. Today’s young people grew up with politicians doing dick all about school shootings they had to live with, doing shit about climate change that they will have to deal with, and now they have genocide being committed in their names. They are pissed. Maybe they mostly will still vote for Biden out of fear of Trump, but your not going to see them organizing and pounding the pavement for Biden. Especially after Biden just dismissed their legitimate concerns and labeled them all antisemetic.
Biden didn’t ask Trump to sell National Security secrets to the Russians.
Biden didn’t ask Putin to trade those secrets to Iran.
Biden didn’t ask Iran to use said secrets and launch an attack on Israel to start a war that the U.S. would be forced to support in order to take away resources and attention from Putin’s war in Ukraine.
But Biden IS a Zionist.
You can criticize him for his support of Palestinian genocide, and rightly so. But you would be sadly mistaken if you withhold your vote for Biden and allow a Trump Presidency, who would not only continue the Palestinian genocide, but allow a Ukrainian one and a Taiwanese one as well… And perhaps fully and finally bring Totalitarianism to the U.S. since why not, he made it so close on January 6th anyways.
People can still leverage him to stop supporting Israel’s genocide in Palestine. He just has to stop sending the aid and he will have a cakewalk to a second term.
Why are you so opposed to people participating in democracy?
Which Iranian attack is this that’s supposed to have started a war to drag in the US? Their most recent attack on Israeli targets was in response to Israel attacking them in a third country, and Israel has been trying to provoke them into a response that would kick off a war the US would get involved with to draw attention from their ongoing genocide in Gaza.
The attacks by Iranian backed Hamas against Israel. Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_support_for_Hamas
Disclaimer: I’m not stating support for one group or another, but the truth is necessary for a good opinion and discussion .
Tell me more about why I should vote for whoever is controlling that senile figurehead.
“I agree. He supports genocide. You should vote for him.”
You are the problem.
You’re conflating voting for someone with “agreeing with” them.
That’s not how democracy works.
You don’t “not vote” for all the candidates you don’t agree with. You do vote for the one that most closely aligns with your values. If you fail to do so, you’ll get the candidate who does not align with your values at all.
What other option that actually has a chance of winning is there? Last I saw, it was either going to be Biden or Trump on the ballot come November. So do you support genocide that can be curbed, or do you support full throated fascistic genocide?
And remember, inaction is a choice, and that choice inevitably favors the republican candidate. So again, which do you choose? Can you justify not playing electoral politics when we end up with that fucking fascist asshole back in the whitehouse? Cuz I’m sure Israel is gonna turn it up to 11 once they know they’ve got full cover from Donald “Stop releasing footage of you murdering people, this is really bad optics” Trump.
What makes you think a vote for Biden is voting for genocide that “can be curbed”?
Every statement and action from the Biden admin, even the meme we are commenting on, shows that Biden is unwilling to curb the genocide.
When the options are fascism and genocide or fascism and genocide there is no “winning”.
You abstain and don’t contribute to the ethos of either agenda.
Nuanced thinking is the problem? Nope. Black and white thinking is the problem. Like the black and white thinking you are displaying here, by refusing to parse any policy decisions beyond “he supports genocide”. If you can’t distinguish between the greater and the lesser evil you’ll end up inadvertently supporting the greater evil.
But the thing is saying “Joe Biden is committing genocide” actively harms your own aims of electing Joe Biden, regardless of whatever your argument is.
So the only rational decision is to stfu about it or start doing genocide apology or denial.
Or you can have a moral spine I guess.
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza, while Russian operatives try to convince you Biden is the worse choice
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
Yeah, Trump is going to be much better on dealing with genocide, but wait I’m just a Biden shill impacted by TDS, it’s the system we live under and it won’t change from the top, encourage ranked choice voting at the local level
Trump said he doesn’t give a shit about that war. Just glass the area and be done with it.
I’m against what Israel is doing in Gaza but some small % of protestors are getting legitimately anti-Semetic, but starting to be very aggressive about it in an uncomfortable way, especially with larger authoritarianism at play in the culture.
I appreciate the president calling that type of shit out personally.
ya but what about TikTok. That’s the real problem, right?
They’re just mad because TikTok is making their kids leftists.
Doesn’t it have bipartisan support?
Republicans and centrists alike hate progressives and leftists.
Yes. Neither US party is leftist.
A core democratic voting constituency
Y’all keep saying that and then turning out at an underperformance of your share of the national population, nevermind the easy dominating share you could have in the party if y’all would fucking vote!
Like seriously, Bernie would have been the nominee both times if y’all would have stopped talking about how you’re the base and actually acted as a party base!
Some of these campuses are important for purple states. The youth vote in California isn’t horribly important. But the youth vote in Virginia is both important and extant.
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Here comes the genocide defenders.
Even worse are the genocide apologists IMO.
Imagine understanding that both candidates are and will commit genocide and sweating online about your choice. There is no direct action, there is no private sector, there is only the ballot and there is death.
To these liberal genocide apolgists: Please, evolve from an electoral wonk to an NGO volunteer already.
Biden got Israel to agree to a ceasefire and Hamas refused. But sure, this is Biden’s fault.
